Gwyneth x Ashley Graham: On Being Put in a Corner

Model-designer-author Ashley Graham dropped by goop HQ to hang with GP. It was the first time since our inaugural Oprah episode that GP cried on the podcast. But mostly they laughed their way through the conversation. They talked about the experience of being put in a corner or a box, and what it’s like breaking out of an industry’s confines. Ashley talked about being a body activist, dealing with insecurities, and making space for all kinds of beauty—on magazine covers and out in the world. They also shared relationship challenges, big loves, spirituality practices, and Ashley’s wild, beautiful marriage story. (For more from Ashley, check out her podcast, Pretty Big Deal, and her book, A New Model.)